Sadie Harrow- Trust the Process

 Today’s guest is someone near and dear to my heart- Sadie Harrow. A Bangor High graduate and now a collegiate distance runner continuing to build on one of the most steady and inspiring progressions you’ll see in our sport. Sadie’s story isn’t an overnight success. It’s about what happens when you trust the process, stay consistent, and allow development to unfold over years- not weeks. Always solid efforts but one may not have predicted what was to come. There were no short cuts, no sudden breakthroughs. Just steady, patient success. Year after year, Sadie continued to show up, put in the work, trust the training and stay positive. She never chased trends - she simply did what was right for her. And over time, the results consistently followed. Her 6:13 became a 5:05 and that low 21 became a 17:45. She continues to improve at the collegiate level. She never rushed her development, and because of that, she never peaked early. She built a foundation that supports her growth years later. Today, we’ll talk about that journey, the importance of trusting the process and why the best runners aren’t the ones who improve the fastest- they’re the ones who improve the longest. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Welcome back to the main shakeout. Today's guest is someone near and dear to my heart. I have witnessed her journey firsthand, Sadie Harrow, a Bangor High grad, and now a collegiate distance runner, continuing to build one of the most steady and inspiring progressions that you will see in our sport. Sadie's story is not an overnight success. It's about what happens when you trust the process, stay consistent, and allow development to unfold over years, not weeks. When Sadie first started running, her times were modest. She ran a roughly 613 track mile and a low 21 in her 5K time, always producing solid efforts, but no one really would have predicted what was yet to come. There were no shortcuts, no sudden breakthroughs, just steady patient success. Year after year, Sadie continued to show up, put in the work, trust the training, and stay positive. She never chased trends. She simply did what was right for her. And over time, the results consistently followed. Her 613 has now become a 505, and that low 21 is a 1745. She continues to improve and she's never rushed her development. Because of that, she never peaked too early. She has built a foundation that supports her growth years later. And today we'll talk about that journey, the importance of trusting the process, and why the best runners are not the ones who improve the fastest. They're the ones who improve the longest. Welcome to the pod, Ity Harrow. Thank you. Also, Chelsea and Seth Harrow's daughter. Chelsea, shout out sweaty mamas. Oh, yeah, she said she was gonna listen to this. Obviously. So make sure you talk up your parents. They're the reason why you're so awesome. All right, tell us a little bit about yourself, Sadie. How did you get into running? What was life like growing up for you when you were younger? So forth.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

So my parents met running. And so, and then my dad, I don't even know. They were running on some bridge in in Portland, and my dad saw my mom like in the distance, but he was just using her like as a marker to try to be this person before he got to this bridge. But then he like ran by her and was like, Oh.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

So that is her best story.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

Cool, you're kind of cute. What's your name? Um, so, anyways, and then my dad like would tell me, like, he was like, Oh, do you want to go on a little run? And I'd be like, not really. And he was like, Okay, let's go, anyways. But yeah, no, I'd started playing soccer, and that was like my main sport. But then in middle school, um, I wanted to do track and I became a sprinter as basically every distance runner starts out. And you know, I was the doing the 100 and I was like, yeah, I'm fast. And then I was like, wait, I'm not gonna qualify for like the middle school championship meet. And so I was like, well, no one's doing the mile. I might as well do that. And you know, I was doing like zero miles a week, and then could like r run like a random, I don't even know what my mile time was, like a 630 maybe. Right. Um thinking almost doing nothing. And then then I I think in eighth grade, I was like, okay, maybe I'll like just do the mile. And then we got to high school, and obviously under under you, Coach Hackie and Coach Huber, um, I was I was a distance runner, and um, but I was still playing soccer, but then COVID happened, and I also like wasn't a huge fan of the soccer team at the high school, just didn't love the vibes and was like, well, I should just try out cross country, and then that was like extremely fun. And so then I've been a distance, distance runner ever since, and I love it.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Who would have thought that your trajectory would have gone from soccer to now running in college? I know.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

In high school, did you prefer cross country or track, or are you just kind of like them both?

SPEAKER_03 3:47

Um, okay, I always say this. I love the vibes of cross country, but I think I like the distance in track better.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

I think you've said that like since I met you. Yes. And I still am saying that. Vibes of cross country, but distance of track. I think most of it.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

And the and the track workouts I like more than the cross country workouts.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

Yeah, obviously. You don't you don't like mile repeats at the proving grounds? So those were a time. I I think about those sometimes. All right, let's focus a little bit on your early running career. When you first started running, you were obviously new to distance. So in those like first couple years of high school, would you say that you were more focused on like improving your time or just like showing up and having fun?

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Um, well, okay, in eighth grade, I ran a 539 1600 off of like doing nothing. And shout out Ruth White. I beat Ruth White at um. Love her. But I did beat her, but um no, so you have to take what you can get. Yeah, no, I don't know. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

I think I beat Ruth one time pregnant, and I'm counting that. So she was like three years old.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

That's okay. No, exactly. So I was like, wow, I am I'm speed. Like this is like I'm I'm a miler. And then in high school, like I think I improved that time by about three seconds over the four years. But like I was just having a fun time. Like I just love the team and yeah, I I see that.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

I think that's an important like aha moment because we talk a lot about this now, but I don't know that people talk a lot about it when they're like 14. But when you're in eighth grade, like you're hitting puberty. So yeah, sure, you ran a five-something mile, but you also could eat like a box of pizza, a bag of chips, and then probably go do it again. Exactly. Like those early years in high school, you're hitting your like pubescent years and your body is changing. Do you think that that has something to do with like women hitting that stagnant time for a couple of years?

SPEAKER_03 5:44

Yeah, well, I I always remember telling Coach Huber, I was like, you know, I think I peaked in eighth grade. He was like, No, you did not. And I was like, well, then why can't I improve my time? But um, because like obviously, like in middle school, I was not running, like I would just like race randomly. And then in high school, we were obviously training. So I was like, why can't I get faster? But it was definitely because of puberty.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Right. So how did you get past that though? Because in like in high school, all you want to do is be better, right? I'm sure you're a competitive person, right? So how did you mentally kind of handle that? Like, I'm working so hard, I'm doing all the, I'm doing what the coaches are saying, and I'm not getting faster. Like, how did you rationalize that?

SPEAKER_03 6:22

Yeah, well, I kind of just like switched to the two mile.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

But that's true. Like when you're younger, I'm sure you're just like, I can't find success here. Let's be honest, more competitive people are running the mile over the two mile. There's more people that are fast in the mile range in the 1600 and outdoor than the two mile and the 32 because nobody wants to do it. It's so happy.

SPEAKER_02 6:43

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

And so I think I like you have such a good approach to running. Like, I don't think that you've ever shown up and been like, this is this sucks. It's too hard. It's like, yeah, this sucks, but I'll do it. I guess I'll do it for the points. Exactly. And so I think it's easier for you to find success point-wise and place-wise, which makes sense. When you're a lot of distance, yeah. When you're 15, of course you're gonna find like whatever's the easiest path to success. You're probably gonna go that route when you're young. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But that changes. I mean, you eventually you started doing and you're back to the mile. So I was gonna ask that question, but I didn't know. Sometimes I don't even know what I agree. You you're all over the place. I mean, you you do it all and you do it all very well. So the focus of this episode is to that progression and how that happened. So your progress was not overnight, which is different and not bad, but it's different than a lot of young athletes we've talked to. A lot of the young athletes we've had on the show, not to take away from their success, but are naturally gifted. And they're running these fast times at 15, 16, 17, and then they're continuing on to run those fast times. And that just wasn't the case for you. It's not like you had this elite time in the 5K or the one mile, your junior year in high school, and then colleges were like, Stadie, we want you, we want you. Like that's not, that wasn't your path. Your path was truly consistent and steady. I am mostly interested in how you didn't get caught up in the things that most young women get caught up in. For example, like food insecurities, like issues with overtraining, with injury. Um, and I know that that was around you, and not necessarily like on our team, but like the environment, the running world. You see it a lot when you see young women finding finding success because they're not eating enough at a young age. How did you not get caught up in that?

SPEAKER_03 8:28

Yeah, um, I think, well, like I think my parents just did a really good job of just like telling me like you can eat whatever you want, like whenever you want. Like you're so active. Like it's doesn't matter. And I also think not starting out as a runner, like starting out as a soccer player, and I also did dance like at a really young age. So I think those two things like helped build like my strength and like my bone strength, maybe to um help me just like have this like more overall strength in me instead of just like a more like oh, I don't know, like more fragile body of like starting out running super young. Um and also I just like love food so much that like I can never like I just love eating food. So I don't know. I just like um like I definitely saw it around me and I was like, oh, like something's not right with like XYZ. Like, I don't want that to be me, you know? Um, and I also like am very terrified of injury, so I will literally do anything to prevent that. And if that means running less, then I'll just run less. Yeah. Because I want running to be fun. Um, I not really knock on wood. Um, I've had like random like hip pain, but it's not like an injury, it's more of like it was out of alignment. But like it basically my SI joy was out of alignment in high school, and so I would go to PT and like the PT told me like how to realign it and everything. Um, and then like people in the team, I would have like hip pain. I was like, oh, let me let me fix that for you.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Yeah, Sadie was like playing team doctor, I think, for like 15 months straight, where she would bring a soccer ball to practice and it'd be like, listen, girls, if you just lay on it, like just realign, she realigned half the team. And I was like, I feel like I'm so cured.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

Everyone was like, Oh, it feels so much better now.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

So we save a bunch of facts. We saved a bunch of families and medical bills.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

Yes, no, exactly. No, but I actually it happened again um my freshman year of college, and I had to go back to PT for it because it was like actually extremely bad. But ever since then, I've been mainly okay. I once had a foot issue, but that it was fine. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah. Yeah, I was just gonna say eating healthy and taking care of yourself and not worrying too much about the sort of body that really has paid paid back in dividends for you.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Yeah, because I've always like been in the mindset like I want running to be fun. And when running's fun, that means I'm not in pain. And when I'm in pain, like then it's not gonna be fun. So, like, why would I be running in pain, you know? So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

So when you um were looking at colleges, how did that sort of mentality frame where you looked to to go to school and to run? Because my guess is most programs aren't, oh, let's just have it be fun when you get to the collegiate level, right?

SPEAKER_03 11:17

Yeah. Um, I I think like the top two schools I was looking at were Colby and Brandeis. And I like was on a Zoom call with the Brandeis uh team, like just the women's distance team, and they were just all like super nice, just seemed like they were having a great time. Like they weren't even like together when they were zooming, like everyone was like in their room or whatever. Everyone was just like laughing, having a good time, and also like on the I would like stalk the Instagram pages. Um and they just like seemed like they were just having like such a good time at like all the meets and just like like took it. Like obviously, um running is very competitive, especially like in college, but they seem to have a really lighthearted way of um like taking it, and um they just like seem like best friends. Um, and that's what I was really looking for. So that's why that's why I chose Brandeis. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Recently I was talking, um, I was talking to a another runner that you graduated with about what's missing in young female runners right now. It seems like there's been a change even since you graduated in the approach to the hard days. And I remember like when you and your crew were running those hard days, like you might be like dry heaving, uh, but you'd be laughing at each other like it was funny, versus that's kind of changed now. And I feel like it's more of a it's hard, and then we get emotional. Like that there's a there's been a shift in young female distance runners. It's more of a it's hard, emotional, can't necessarily finish the workout versus you had a crew that was like, it's hard, I'm gonna laugh that we're emotional. Like I have seen you run in tears laughing before, and it's just funny. Like, we're all gonna finish this and then we're gonna laugh about it. Like it all hurts. And I, your your approach and your group of young women that graduated together, you that approach, I don't know that it's common. And I didn't realize that until time has gone on, and now I've coached more young women. Um, and it sounds like you found that at Brandeis, that that's the same thing. So it's a good fit for you. Um, your your kind of proof that long-term development works, right? Like you're you are peaking right now. I would say you're in your you're like you're in your payoff phase currently, like as we speak. A couple of weeks ago, you PR'd in the mile. Talk about your current successes and how you've kind of gotten there.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Yeah. So in high school, I think I was running probably around 15 or 20 miles a week. Like if that, what with taking like a month off between seasons. And now I'm not doing that. Um, I'm running like a little over 50 miles a week, I would say, and taking like a little bit less than a week off between seasons. And so I think just like the consistency and mileage has really, really helped everything. Like everyone says like higher mileage means more success. And obviously, like higher mileage to an extent. And it's definitely been working for me. Like during cross country, um, I was like extremely consistent with my mileage and it really paid off. And I think I'm like seeing those benefits. I was seeing the benefits in cross country, but I'm also definitely seeing them now in this indoor season because um I I started my 3K PR started uh this season with like a 1029, and I just yesterday ran a 1017. So um I definitely like am improving in like all distances, and I think it's definitely a testament to the mileage. Um, and also the workouts that my coach gives us are challenging, but like extremely beneficial.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

So talk here's some more specifics. I was gonna ask you. What do those workouts look like, those kind of speed workouts?

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Yeah, so I think I'm like so bad with workout terms and things. I think we do a lot of intervals. It doesn't matter, honestly. Just kind of explain.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Whatever you want to use, we all know interchangeable anyway.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Go for it. Yeah, yeah. Um, we do a lot of fartlicks also. Basically, this indoor season, we're doing three workouts a week. Well, uh uh, we call like Saturday races, like is kind of like a workout. Um and so like we do workouts Tuesday, that's like a track workout, and that could be like 800 repeats or like a ladder of some sort. Um one of them, uh just the other week, we did like three by 600, 400, 200, and each um like distance was at a different pace. Like I think the 600s might have been at like 3k pace, and then the 400 was at mile pace, 200 was faster. And that was a killer workout. But um, and then Thursdays are usually like we do kind of like an easy run, but then turns into like five by four minute on, one minute off, like something like that, like some sort of fart lick in the in the run. And then Saturday is either a race or another sort of fartlic workout. Um, and so I think the workouts have just like I definitely can tell every week the track workouts get easier. Well, not easier, but like I can I feel the benefits from the week before's track workout. Um, and that's definitely I think what's helped me especially improve in the mile um in terms of the speed um that I'm getting from those workouts. And then the um like fart like workouts and tempo workouts obviously really are helping aerobically.

SPEAKER_00 16:38

So do you peak what I'm I'm trying to ask like, do you have a peak in indoor or is indoor really just like a ramp to launch into outdoor?

SPEAKER_03 16:46

Yeah, so like currently, or like this past week, I was tapering for conference meet, and now I think I'm continuing this taper for this next meet that I think I'm running in. Um, but my coach is always like, yeah, indoor is just kind of like training for outdoor, but indoor is also kind of training for cross country. And outdoor is also training for cross country. And cross country is training for outdoor and indoors.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

How do you avoid burnout, Zadie?

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Oh, um, well, sometimes like I'm thinking to myself, like, wow, it'd be awesome if I didn't have to run right now. But then I'm thinking, like, oh wait, running is so fun. Like I go on a run and sometimes I'm like just so exhausted, like, don't want to be running, have so much homework to do, like like the running is getting in the way of school, whatever. But then I'm like, sometimes I'm on my run. I'm like, wait, this is just so fun and I just love it so much. Um, but I think the way to avoid burnout is taking a down week when you need it, sleeping a lot, which I really need to work on more. Um, and like enjoying the run with your teammates and also taking a couple days between seasons, like at least a couple days between seasons to like mentally reset.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Mentally reset is a perfect transition into I wanted to hear about your mental approach to running. I know that it's mostly positive. You have a very good outlook, you're able to kind of compartmentalize. That's very obvious. Um, you don't have issues with motivation, I don't think. Like it seems like you're given a workout, you just do it. There's no struggle there. But there must be some setbacks and some bad races, and you you're normal, you're human. So, how do you watch those days when you are kind of like those early days in high school where you're like, why am I only getting four seconds faster? And it's been two years of training. So, how do you mentally approach the setbacks or the bad race days?

SPEAKER_03 18:31

Yeah, um let's see. I think as this is like I think I've started to notice this specifically this year, and this is probably just me like growing up, but like one meet like does not define you, and like one like quote unquote bad time does not define you at all. Like, I think I've definitely started noticing this during this past cross-country season. Like, I had a lot of I had an issue with my iron, like it was just really low, and so I was just like feeling terrible. And I was like, why am I like doing terrible in all these workouts? Like I should not be like last right now in this workout. Um, but then like, you know, I got that under control. And I think that really helped me realize like one workout or one time does not define you, and life will move on, the world will keep spinning. Like, it's really okay. There's gonna be more Reasons.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

That's awesome. I mean, it's perfect, it's spot on. I think you're right. I think it really is just growing up, and you just learn by figuring it out, and you do realize in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. You're the one putting that measure, right? Like nobody is going to be like, Sadie, that workout is terrible.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Everybody's no like a muffin cade, like I'm doing this for fun. Like, I just want to improve. Yeah, like have fun. I don't know. It's and I don't think I was like this in high school. Like in high school, I definitely was upset with the bad race, but now I'm just like, it's really okay. And I I think that has to do with growing up. Yeah, totally and maturity.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

So it's totally spot on. Did you have a lot of um when you were an underclassman, did you have a lot of upperclassmen that you that you felt were in this mindset that you are currently in? And you're like, I hope I get there sometime, like, you know, where there's some good role models that you were kind of hooked into.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

Yeah, like in high school, I would say, shout out Anna McDonald. Um I would say her specifically, she was just like a really positive role model and had a good mindset with everything, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Um and then I'm just gonna real quick interject, shameless plug. Keep your eyes on maybe who the next coach at Bangor High might be saying. What are you doing? I'm not saying anything, but okay, go on.

SPEAKER_03 20:41

That's awesome. Yeah, she, oh my gosh, I love her. Um, I like sometimes in in college I would see her at races. I'd be like, oh my gosh, Anna, what's up? Like we would like catch up. Like I remember, oh my gosh, last year we saw each other at a track meet and we literally were talking just in the bathroom for like 20 minutes. I was like, what are we doing? We have to go like round a mountain or something. We have to move on.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

How many yeah, I would say, let me think. I don't know, just I guess like all my all the um teammates above me, especially my friend, my friend Anna. I don't think she knows about this podcast, but shout out Anna Batelli. Um she's one of my best friends, but yeah, she just like loves running so much. And I think, and she would like also help me plan my mileage out, especially when I was like a freshman and sophomore. Like I didn't really understand high mileage. I didn't even know what Strava was until the summer going into college. And I found out what Strava was from I think Katie. Shout out Katie McCarthy. And so um, I like didn't really know what like high mileage was at all, and like I didn't realize like 50 miles a week was like normal. Yeah. Like just had no idea. Um, and so Anna really helped me like like learn how to build mileage and um Yeah, just like every run is gonna be different and that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Speaking of high mileage, I know that sometimes younger runners get caught in overtraining. You ran low mileage in high school. You ran conservatively, but you ran hard. I would say it was quality, but not necessarily quantity. How do you think that that helped build you a foundation to be able to run a high mileage in college? I did it.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Yeah, no, I think it did help me because it definitely helped avoid burnout. Like if I was running even like 40 miles a week in high school, I would have been like, no, like enough of this. But no, you and Coach Hugh were really like, I didn't even know tracking mileage was a thing. Like, I don't think you did. You just showed up and did whatever we told you to do. Yeah, you were like, run four to five miles, and I'd be like, okay, I'll do four today. And like, you know, I would never go like above, like, I would do like 4.01 was the max. Definitely helped me. I yeah, I don't think I would have run in college if I was running more mileage. Like, I think I would have been like, this is enough.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Do you have teammates that were running higher mileage in high school? And do you see their development being different, or do they love the sport less just because they've ground it out for so long? Or what have you seen?

SPEAKER_03 23:10

I just had a watch that Coach Huber got me. I actually I still have it. Didn't add up anything. But now in college, like obviously I understand what mileage is, tracking mileage, and I use Strava very consistently. I really that's like my favorite form of social media. Um and so yeah, no, I I think we were like all doing the same in high school, I think.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

I don't know. That's really neat that you found a crew that is like that to find a group of women that are so similar in their approach to running. It's really, really awesome. Shout out to Brandeis and whoever they have in charge of that program because I think that that speaks volumes of what they're preaching and what they're looking for in women on their team. So it's very cool. Very, very cool. Uh, I love the Brandeis team.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

Roll friends, it's so fun. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Well, you know, I just to, I mean, it seems not to beat a dead horse, but you seem to love this sport so much, right? And you're probably one of the first that we've talked to that seems to love it so much. It was, you know what I mean? And I think that just must be such a key to your success because you're like, I just love what I'm doing. I know this hurts a little bit, but I really love it. Like you just seem so here.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Yeah, you're not chasing, you have not one time mentioned a time that you're chasing or a PR that you're chasing. You are genuinely chasing improvement. And I feel like you have been that way your whole, well, as long as I've known you. It doesn't seem like you're fixating on this this number or this place. It's I want to just keep getting better and doing it.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

You must be such a joy.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

She is a joy coach. One of my faves about that.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

Yeah, no, before um, before UAAs, which was this past weekend, we like the captains had us write like um a mantra like on this blue tape that we would like tape to our wrist. Um, so like we would all like be connected throughout the meet. And I was just like, well, what do I want to do this weekend? And I was like, well, I guess I just want to have fun because like I mean, the UAA competition is crazy. Like half the people go to nationals. Right. And I'm not in the position to go to nationals right now, like individually. So I was like, well, I would like to PR, but I guess I just want to have fun. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

And you if you are having fun, you you perform better. When you are, when Sadie is happy and in a good mood, you're better. So if you're having fun, you're going to perform well.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Yeah. Yeah. Even with my possible fever.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

So what does next year look like for you? Same sort of path or are there anything chasing?

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Um, I think my coach told me he wants me to get up to 60 miles this a week this summer. We'll see. I I mean, hopefully I can do that. I'm currently like trying to do 55 miles a week, um, slightly unsuccessfully. I've been like still hovering around like low 50s, but um yeah, we basically our team qualified for cross-country nationals this past fall. And so we would love to repeat. Um, or like I definitely want to make it uh for cross-country nationals. And then um, yeah, just improving in the in my track times.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

I would love to break five in the mile.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

I would love to watch you break five. That is just such a monumental moment for you. I I know you will. It's just a matter of time.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

And currently your PR is 505, right? Is that right?

SPEAKER_03 26:25

505. Yeah, it was on a banked track. It was at BU. Um, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Oh, it's a fast track. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

Yeah, it was so fun. Um, but I I think there was probably more in the tank. So hopefully, hopefully I can break five. And I would love to break 10 in the 3K also, but I don't know. We got a got a little ways, but I would and also in the in the 5K, I want to break 17. But I don't know. I just want to PR.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Okay. Let me ask you a question about the mile, though. Just to get specifics real quick. When you run the mile, what is your strategy?

SPEAKER_03 26:54

I would say like go out fast. Like, I liked when I start, I like to try to be in the front, at least to start, just because like it makes me mentally like, oh yeah, like I deserve to be in this meet in in this heat. Like I'm like, I could win this. Um and then like usually people pass me and I'm like, oh, that's okay. Then I try to like, you know, keep like stay with the the front group. And if I like drop the front group, like, or if they drop me, sorry, if they drop me, then I try to like catch back up to them. But when I ran the 505 at BU, it was really awesome because they had pace lights. And I think I'm pretty sure it was set for a 505. And I was like, well, let's just try to stay with the pace lights. And I think that was, I want to say it was 38 something or about 38 seconds per lap. Um, and so during that race, I was like, okay, stick with the pace lights. And during the race, also, like, I was just trying to like uh catch up to each group, and which was ended up being very successful. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

All right, interesting, cool. I feel like it's a I just I missed this opportunity earlier, so I feel like this is a good time. I want you to tell the story about I kind of said you'd never chased times, and then that's not necessarily accurate because there was one time that you did chase throughout high school, and it was your 5K time. And your senior year in cross country, you were determined to beat this time. You focused all season, you worked your ass off. There's literally nothing you could have done differently. Like you did everything right, and then you as your entire career has gone, you continue to get faster, a little bit out of time, a little bit at a time. Come outdoor season. I would say that you were borderline as mad as I've ever seen you, that you had not hit this time. So you decide to ask Coach Huber and I to do a time trial, which is something that Coach Huber and I hate. Um, we are not big fans of time trials at the high school level for many reasons. You finally convince us. Tell us a story about why you did this time trial and what that day looked like.

SPEAKER_03 28:52

I was like so determined. It was, oh my God, this was so funny. Okay, yeah. Basically, I really wanted to break 20. And I think my PR was a 2023. Oh my gosh. And when I hit that PR, I then passed out afterwards. Yep, you did at the state meet my junior year. Oh my god, that was so funny. Um, so, anyways, I was like determined to break 20. And like after cross-country ended, like obviously I'd still not broken 20. And I was like, you know, I'll get there one day. Like it'll I'm going to do it before I graduate. And so then I think one day Coach Huber told me he was like, okay, we can do it. Or like this will happen. And I was like, great, like awesome. Like I think we scheduled it for like maybe the next day or a couple days later. And I think it was raining and it was kind of cold that day. Awful weather.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

It was it was rainy, it was cold, and it was slightly windy. And yeah, it was windy. Yes. In Bangor is always windy. And I was wearing these sweatpants.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

And Coach Huber looks at them. And I think you look at them, you're like, and you're like, no, you're not wearing those. And I was like, what do you mean? They're great. And you're like, no, those are terrible to run in. And I was like, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 29:55

And you were like, no, I I'm gonna be freezing. And this is something about you, Sadie, is that you do not care what people think. You do you all the time, and you are unapologetically yourself through and through. And this day I was like, I love you, take the pants off.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

I was like, but I have nothing else. And and some like I think Coach Huber found these random shorts. Shorts, men's shorts, and I was like, Yes, in the lost and found. And I was like, no, no way I'm I ran wearing these. And both of you guys were like, Yes, you are. That's the only way you can run this time tile. And I was like, And I was like, okay, because I was just like going crazy about breaking 20. And you and Coach Huber were like, you have to change. Like, you can't be running in sweatpants. Oh my god, it was so funny. Anyways, so anyway, I start this, I start this uh 5K and I'm running around. I'm like, wow, I am flying. And I was, I was actually, I was going really fast, way faster than I had to be. And Coach Huber was like, you can slow way down. And I just like was scared that I would slow too, like I would slow down too much. Yeah. And so I just kept going that pace. And then I just stopped during it because I was like, no, I'm tired.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

And then both of you guys had three laps to go, and you were like, I know you were like, I'm done. And I was like, absolutely not. Well Sephora, you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

I was so tired. Okay, in my defense, I was extremely exhausted, but like, why did I stop? Like it made no sense. I don't know. Like I've never stopped in anything, like in a race like that before. It was, oh my god, it was so funny. And then, and then I was like, took a second, I was like, wait, yeah, what am I doing? And so I then I kept going. And wait, I don't even know what I hit. It was like 1950 something. Like it was.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

I thought it was 1952, but maybe I'm wrong. I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_03 31:36

It could have been it, no, I that sounds right. Uh, so I did rig 20 and I was like, yeah, yeah, I did that. And now I'm like running a 1745 and I'm waiting for it. So funny.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

It's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

It's a story that is worth telling.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Yeah, it was a good one.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

As we may have made quite clear, you've always done what's best for you. But if you could go back in time and talk to Sadie at 15 years old, what would you go back and tell your younger self?

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Um, I would say don't think, don't take things very seriously because you're only in high school and it really doesn't matter. Like it's just all for fun. Um and I would say, Oh, well, I would say like good job for not running more.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Yeah, I love that. I do go call yourself because you crushed it. Younger is just as awesome as college, Cadie. Yeah. We have our very eclectic playlist um with a wide variety of songs. And also some people have been giving podcast recommendations, so you could do that too, but I actually don't want you to do that because I know that you love music.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

So I I also like never listen to podcasts, so I I wouldn't be good at that.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Okay. That's two songs that we can add to our list that like pump you up, that you love to hear, either like pre-me or when you're running, go for it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Um, okay, let me think of a Taylor Swift song. I would say um Getaway Car. Okay. And then a non-Taylor Swift song. I would say, oh wait, hold on. Hold on. I have to go to my Spotify really fast. You and everybody under the age of 25. Two songs? Yeah. Or whatever. I do three.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Yeah, you can do three. You can.

SPEAKER_03 33:11

Oh, awesome. Okay, could I do wait, my gosh, Girls So Confusing featuring Lorde by Charlie XCX? Love it. It's amazing. Oh my gosh. And then I would say, um, recently Behind These Hazel Eyes by Kelly Clarkson. That's a good one for pretty.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

With the female artist trio. Oh yeah. Sadie was Taylor Swift outwardly singing for like two years straight. Every practice. Like we'd bring the speaker for workouts, and she's like, guys, I got a playlist. And everyone's like, oh, please don't. That, or it would be like, um, what was the musical? Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Hamilton on repeat.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

That was what workout days. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

No, no, listen to this. My team, my team is obsessed with Hamilton also because basically, I don't know if you've heard of this trail called the Minutem Trail. It's where like the Revolutionary War happened. I don't know. It's like over there in Concord. But basically, I don't know, some war can't go on. But we do um workouts there during cross country and during our cooldowns, we're like singing Hamilton songs because it's so like you seriously found your crew.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

Yeah, you did. You found your crew.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Like you found your people for sure. Um, firefacts. First thing that comes to mind. Okay? Okay. Ready? You have the first one.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

What is your most memorable moment from high school running? But not that's not that time trial.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Yeah. Oh, okay. Um, I would say New England's cross country, like when we qualified for uh oh my gosh, when we qualified for New England's junior year cross-country season. Like the whole trip was just so fun. Yeah, as a team. It was so fun. So fun.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

That was that was a terrible course, but it was so fun. Vermont Mountains. Literally mountains. Yep. All right, what's your favorite? Just kidding, we're not doing running shoes. If you could run with anyone, dead or alive, for like a shakeout easy run, who would it be?

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Uh uh, oh, um, Ellie St. Pierre. Uh listen, you made eye contact at the BU meet, and I was like, oh my god. We made eye contact and I was like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

It feels like you're already friends. Basically, that's what I'm saying. Besties, really. I feel like if if you were to talk to her, I think she would have a lot of the same answers as you. She's always been like a very strong female. Like, just looks strong, shows up, consistently gets better, and now look at her. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

All right, mom. He's crazy. Oh, no, literally. Um, I don't know how she does it. She's crazy. I love her. Me too.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Awesome. All right. Um, this should be a good one. What is your favorite post-run meal or snack since you love to eat like that? Chipotle. Wait, give us your order.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

What would be what's the saying your order?

SPEAKER_03 35:53

This is really funny you say this because after the meat yesterday, I got Chipotle. Um, I would I it's always a bowl with white rice, steak, black beans, lettuce, cheese, guac, corn salsa, and a bag of chips. Ooh, yeah, you had to dip the chip. Do you eat it with the chips? I I dip the chip. Oh my it's so good.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

I get Chipotle like once a week. Shout out to Hugh, take her to Chipotle. What is your proudest moment in your entire running career?

SPEAKER_03 36:24

I think qualifying for nationals at the regional meet this past fall um in cross country. Because oh my gosh, it was actually so stressful because we were in like seventh place and we had to be like like the top two, I think, like automatically go. And then like it's kind of like who knows who else goes. Like third place, we were like, yeah, third place would definitely go. Anyways, we were in like seventh or I think sixth place. Um, and so and then like with the last lap to go, like basically the course was like three laps. Um, in the last lap, somehow we bumped up to third place. Like, I think we were like slowly like moving up. It was so stressful though, because there was this runner from Bates, and I thought that she was their fifth runner and I was our fifth runner, and but she beat me, and I was like, oh no, like we got fourth. Turns out she was like their second runner, so it didn't matter. So I was like, crap, like we're we like we lost, like we didn't get third place. Anyways, we did get third place, and we're like, yes, because like all of us, I think the top five, I think we all PR'd and then also all got all region. And like if we if that didn't happen, like I don't think we would have made it to nationals. Like I don't I don't know what would have happened, but yeah, that was that was it.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Sadie, that story is a perfect way to wrap up. It speaks volumes about who you are. I just asked you what your proudest moment as a runner, and you came back with a team victory. That is like spot on, Sadie Hero. It's not about you, it's always team and it's just who you are. You're cool chick. Well, thanks. You are you guys are too. Well, thank you so much, Katie, for taking the time out of your very busy schedule to chat with us about your running career. You are a gem. Thanks, guys. This is so fun.